Today we talk to the wonderful urban-environmental sociologist Hillary Angelo. Hillary is an associate professor at UC Santa Cruz who focuses on Urbanization, nature, infrastructure, sustainability, and climate change. We talk about urban planning and how building denser communities can be more impactful than simply greening neighborhoods, why we don't need to destroy intact ecosystems to build out the renewable energy infrastructure we need, and how truly addressing climate change requires changing the broken social relations and structures that caused it.