23:48 Brian says he didn’t do a great job unpacking the confusion and buzz around “agentic AI” and that many people conflate multi-shot prompts, agentic AI and AI agents. Most real world “agentic AI” today doesn’t exactly match the definition used in research papers around AI agents.
Large Language Models (LLMs) vs other AI technologies
The rapid standardization of AI interface patterns
AI tools in designers' current workflows
Multi-shot prompts and agentic systems
The tension between "prompts vs pixels" in product development
How AI is changing the designer's role
The new "industrial revolution" we're experiencing with AI
Pull Quotes
"Most AI researchers believe that the AI models have already reached 100% scouring of the web, right? So anything that's public is probably in those foundational models, which means they're not really going to grow much in the next five years." –Brian
"It will make the most basic patterns. It will pull the most basic stuff... But what it won't do is it won't make it interesting." –Joe
"I was a little bit stunned by how quickly that locked into amber... that they're all chat-based interfaces. They all use magic wands or sparkles or something." –Joe
"A society that prioritizes productivity is a society without imagination... if the goal is to just get the data as fast as possible to do things better and faster, you are saving time for what?" –Joe
"This is a new enlightenment. This is a new industrial revolution... Everything is changing." –Joe
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