The Show Must Go On

Kevin and Spencer talk Pluribus, then detour off to rant about technical nuances of television production and why you can't see or hear anything in TV shows anymore. Spencer discovers he can zoom on Zoom, much to our delight. Somehow we end up on thoughts on self-esteem versus collective purpose, the importance of doing something even when you can't do everything, and why baking cookies for your neighbors counts as praxis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices