Androids 17 and 18 (S5E13)

The Z fighters come up against their worst threat ever....TEENAGERS.

Join Jelli and Bekinney as they continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon Dragon Ball Z by looking at episodes 131 through 135, "More Androids?!" "Follow Dr. Gero," "Nightmare Comes True," "Goku's Assassin," and "Deadly Beauty." As we continue into the Androids Saga, we discuss Androids 17 and 18.

In this episode:

• Jelli and Bekinney are back outside space and time
• Senzu don't work on viruses?
• A couple notes on Android 17 solo as well as his personality and his interactions with Goku
• A few notes on Android 18 as her own character including her being platinum blonde
• Torishima's push to create these characters and his reaction and disappointment in their creation
• The sleuthing skills of Von at Manga Barcelona in December 2025 and her discovery from Toriyama's long-time assistant Takashia Matsuyama as to the involvement of Toriyama's wife in the creation of Androids 17 and 18
• Toriyama's thoughts on 17 and 18 as time went on
• Possible inspiration points behind Androids 17 and 18, reminding listeners of Toriyama's use of punk and visual kei in the past
• The emergence of a darker version of visual kei, known as Nagoya Kei with Silver Rose and Kuroyume
• B'z, Japan's highest-selling musical artist of all-time
• and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual 

Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.

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