How to be a Contrarian and Maintain Democracy with Ambassador Norman Eisen

Marissa talks with Norman Eisen about the pro-democracy independent media outlet he recently launched with former Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin, how to manage the Trump years with “litigation, laughter and liquor,” and why only dogs (and not broligarchs) should be skilled in anticipatory obedience. Plus: Why cookies and bourbon may be the answer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices