16 Sep 2025 07:00

The Two Tragedies of Charlie Kirk

John Heilemann joins Peter to discuss the grotesque state of American politics in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, as a divisive president canonizes him as a martyr while furious White House aides vow retribution against the left. John and Peter consider whether this is the new political norm—or just a particularly rancid chapter we’ll eventually consign to history. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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